1st Temple seal found in Jerusalem [MERGED 2x] with Pagan symbol, faith based archeol

Sylvanius · January 17, 2008, 11:41 AM

Archaeologist believe they have found a seal from First Temple.

Oddly enough, the seal displays what could be interpreted as a pagan symbol.

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A crescent moon, the symbol of the chief Babylonian god Sin, appears on the top of the altar.

An alternate explanation is that the crescent moon was important to the temple priests for calendar purposes.

Interesting stuff.

QuestionMark ** · January 17, 2008, 01:48 PM

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...cle%2FShowFull

First Temple seal found in Jerusalem

A stone seal bearing the name of one of the families who acted as servants in the First Temple and then returned to Jerusalem after being exiled to Babylonia has been uncovered in an archeological excavation in Jerusalem's City of David, a prominent Israeli archeologist said Wednesday…..

QM?

reniaa · January 17, 2008, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by QuestionMark

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...cle%2FShowFull

First Temple seal found in Jerusalem

A stone seal bearing the name of one of the families who acted as servants in the First Temple and then returned to Jerusalem after being exiled to Babylonia has been uncovered in an archeological excavation in Jerusalem's City of David, a prominent Israeli archeologist said Wednesday…..

QM?

Ooo nice link

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The seal of the Temech family gives us a direct connection between archeology and the biblical sources and serves as actual evidence of a family mentioned in the Bible," she said. "One cannot help being astonished by the credibility of the biblical source as seen by the archaeological find."

more bible caroboration but I think even if proof of ten plagues was found skeptics would argue the minutia

Magnus Armstrong · January 17, 2008, 03:26 PM

Moving to GRD

Potoooooooo · January 17, 2008, 03:35 PM

caroboration

Mageth · January 17, 2008, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Potoooooooo

caroboration

Imitation chocolate, perhaps?

figuer · January 17, 2008, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by reniaa

more bible caroboration but I think even if proof of ten plagues was found skeptics would argue the minutia

What do you think it coroborates?

That there was a first temple, that there was a Babilonian exile and that there was a return to Jerusalem, are well accepted historical facts.

pob14 · January 17, 2008, 04:01 PM

So, because a seal - one apparently showing people praying to the Babylonian god Sin - is found with a name that happens to appear in the bible, this is carbonation - corruscation - uh, corroboration of . . . . well, what, exactly?

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Originally Posted by The article

The fact that this cultic scene relates to the Babylonian chief god seemed not to have disturbed the Jews who used it on their own seal, she added.

Edit: Figuer beat me to it.

WVIncagold · January 17, 2008, 04:08 PM

I found a civil war dog tag with the name of Lee on it. It has to be general Robert E Lee's dog tag because it was found at the Gettysburg battlefield. Yup your right reniaa nothing but caroboration for the bible.

Fundamental dictionary:
caroboration Verb
To immediately jump to unsupported conclusions in order to uphold ones delusion.

C_Mucius_Scaevola · January 17, 2008, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by QuestionMark

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...cle%2FShowFull

Some of the comments there are quite funny:

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Originally posted by An idiot
Bible missing links 100 - Evolution missing links 0
Game over! What a blow out Evolution looses (sic) again!!!

Alright, I said "some"; I meant One of the comments there is quite funny.

C_M_S

Hedshaker · January 17, 2008, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by reniaa

more bible caroboration but I think even if proof of ten plagues was found skeptics would argue the minutia

Oh no, not those harsh skeptics again with their silly demands for evidence and their unending truth seeking. Why must they persistently ruin our fun? Can they not just shut their mouths and let people enjoy their fairy tales in peace.....!

Mageth · January 17, 2008, 05:26 PM

A seal that may confirm some family mentioned in the Bible really existed...so what?

Find strong evidence supporting the notion that one of the fantastic claims described in the Bible actually happened...e.g., the "10 plagues"...now, that would be something.

No such evidence has ever been found, as far as I know.

Ulrich · January 17, 2008, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by reniaa

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Originally Posted by QuestionMark

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...cle%2FShowFull

First Temple seal found in Jerusalem

A stone seal bearing the name of one of the families who acted as servants in the First Temple and then returned to Jerusalem after being exiled to Babylonia has been uncovered in an archeological excavation in Jerusalem's City of David, a prominent Israeli archeologist said Wednesday…..

QM?

Ooo nice link

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The seal of the Temech family gives us a direct connection between archeology and the biblical sources and serves as actual evidence of a family mentioned in the Bible," she said. "One cannot help being astonished by the credibility of the biblical source as seen by the archaeological find."

more bible caroboration but I think even if proof of ten plagues was found skeptics would argue the minutia

I would suggest that you take a look at this post over in BC&H.

Now we have an archeaological find that depicts a "servant of the first temple (of Yahweh)" worshipping the god Sin. If this corroborates anything, it corroborates the idea that is being presented in the above link.

Demigawd · January 17, 2008, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by reniaa

more bible caroboration but I think even if proof of ten plagues was found skeptics would argue the minutia

Archaeologists have uncovered Troy. Troy was mentioned in The Iliad. The Iliad contains Zeus and other Greek gods. Why, then, don't you believe the Greek gods exist?

ELECTROGOD · January 17, 2008, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by figuer

What do you think it coroborates?

That there were people around back when it was made...that's for sure.

QuestionMark ** · January 17, 2008, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ELECTROGOD

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Originally Posted by figuer

What do you think it coroborates?

That there were people around back when it was made...that's for sure.

Israel is the homeland for the right of return of refugee Jews, not Arabs.

QM?

figuer · January 17, 2008, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by QuestionMark

Israel is the homeland for the right of return of refugee Jews, not Arabs.

That is as absurd as what Rannia said, as no one denies that the reputed ancestors of todays Jews lived there before the Arabs.

Biff the unclean · January 17, 2008, 06:33 PM

I wonder why the illustration of the priests looks so much more worn that the word "Temech" does?
And the Dung Gate doesn't sound like that great a neighborhood.

Potoooooooo · January 17, 2008, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Biff the unclean

I wonder why the illustration of the priests looks so much more worn that the word "Temech" does?
And the Dung Gate doesn't sound like that great a neighborhood.

Yeah, kind of like Mianus http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mianus,_Connecticut

unrealist42 · January 17, 2008, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by figuer

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Originally Posted by QuestionMark

Israel is the homeland for the right of return of refugee Jews, not Arabs.

That is as absurd as what Rannia said, as no one denies that the reputed ancestors of todays Jews lived there before the Arabs.

I do believe that there were some people already living there when the Israelites arrived from their extended wanderings after decamping from Egypt. I believe they were called Palestinians... er.... Philistines and they continued to live there alongside the Israelites.

While we know the nine tribes of the Israelites were eventually all expelled from these lands or taken away into captivity, there is no mention that the Phillistines were so they are probably still there.

Besides that, the Jews are only from the tribe of Judah so really they only have claim to Judea, not all of Israel.

QuestionMark ** · January 17, 2008, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by unrealist42

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Originally Posted by figuer

That is as absurd as what Rannia said, as no one denies that the reputed ancestors of todays Jews lived there before the Arabs.

I do believe that there were some people already living there when the Israelites arrived from their extended wanderings after decamping from Egypt. I believe they were called Palestinians... er.... Philistines and they continued to live there alongside the Israelites.

While we know the nine tribes of the Israelites were eventually all expelled from these lands or taken away into captivity, there is no mention that the Phillistines were so they are probably still there.

Besides that, the Jews are only from the tribe of Judah so really they only have claim to Judea, not all of Israel.

Judea, like the West Bank?

QM?

figuer · January 17, 2008, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by unrealist42

I believe they were called Palestinians... er.... Philistines and they continued to live there alongside the Israelites... there is no mention that the Phillistines were so they are probably still there..

Is there any evidence to consider the historical Philistines as directly related to today's Palestinians?

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Originally Posted by unrealist42

Besides that, the Jews are only from the tribe of Judah so really they only have claim to Judea, not all of Israel.

They don't have a claim to anything, anymore than the modern English have a claim over Germany because they are "Germanics", or Mexicans a claim over Italy because they are "Latin" and "Roman Catholic"....or I a claim to the throne of Spain.

J-D · January 17, 2008, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by unrealist42

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Originally Posted by figuer

That is as absurd as what Rannia said, as no one denies that the reputed ancestors of todays Jews lived there before the Arabs.

I do believe that there were some people already living there when the Israelites arrived from their extended wanderings after decamping from Egypt. I believe they were called Palestinians... er.... Philistines and they continued to live there alongside the Israelites.

While we know the nine tribes of the Israelites were eventually all expelled from these lands or taken away into captivity, there is no mention that the Phillistines were so they are probably still there.

Besides that, the Jews are only from the tribe of Judah so really they only have claim to Judea, not all of Israel.

Actually, there's no evidence for extended wanderings after decamping from Egypt--there's no evidence for any decamping from Egypt. There's no evidence of any interruption in continuous settlement in the relevant period.

There's also no evidence for 'the nine tribes of the Israelites' or for the tribe of Judah.

Hence, even if there were a real connection between the Philistines and the modern Palestinians, there would still be no evidence that the Philistines were there first.

Nobody knows who was there first--and even if we did, it would have no contemporary political relevance.

Jehanne · January 17, 2008, 10:49 PM

Moving to BC&H.

capsaicin67 · January 17, 2008, 11:03 PM

corroborate

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Mageth Veteran Member Join Date: July 2001 Location: Austin, TX. Posts: 21,486	A seal that may confirm some family mentioned in the Bible really existed...so what? Find strong evidence supporting the notion that one of the fantastic claims described in the Bible actually happened...e.g., the "10 plagues"...now, that would be something. No such evidence has ever been found, as far as I know.

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Biff the unclean Banned Join Date: October 2002 Location: an inaccessible island fortress Posts: 10,638	I wonder why the illustration of the priests looks so much more worn that the word "Temech" does? And the Dung Gate doesn't sound like that great a neighborhood.

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